Gemini 4 Argon vs Qwen3.8 Flash
Updated October 21, 2026. 7 benchmarks have a result for both. Coding is ranked on the Vibe Coding Index; every other board is shown as published.
Decision reading
Pick Qwen3.8 Flash for coding: it scores 87.4 on the Vibe Coding Index against 80.5 for Gemini 4 Argon, though on 1 benchmark against 2.
Pick Gemini 4 Argon when the context window is larger, 1.05M against 1M tokens, or when what matters is LiveBench coding or LiveBench research, where it leads.
- Shared results
- 7
- Gemini 4 Argon only
- 85
- Qwen3.8 Flash only
- 0
- Like-for-like categories
- 5 of 9
Shared results can support a head-to-head reading. Results only one model has describe coverage, not superiority.
Which one for your work
Each card is decided by one number both models carry. Where only one has it, the card says so and makes no call.
Coding
Vibe Coding Index, four public coding benchmarks
Qwen3.8 Flash
Qwen3.8 Flash scores 87.4 against 80.5.
2 and 1 benchmarks behind the scores
Intelligence
AA Intelligence Index
No call
Only Gemini 4 Argon has a AA Intelligence Index result, 52.6.
Directional only
Web design
Design Arena: websites
No call
Only Gemini 4 Argon has a Design Arena: websites result, 1315.
Directional only
General
Vals Index
No call
Only Gemini 4 Argon has a Vals Index result, 69.2%.
Directional only
Long documents
Listed context window
Gemini 4 Argon
Gemini 4 Argon takes 1.05M tokens against 1M.
Listed by OpenRouter
Everyday cost
1K input + 500 output tokens
Qwen3.8 Flash
Gemini 4 Argon $0.0070, Qwen3.8 Flash $0.0004 per turn.
List prices
At a glance
- Coding index
- Gemini 4 Argon 80.5 from 2 benchmarks, Qwen3.8 Flash 87.4 from 1 benchmark.
- Widest category
- Agentic work, 28.4 points apart on average over 3 shared benchmarks.
- Widest single gap
- LiveBench browser: Gemini 4 Argon 92.0% against Qwen3.8 Flash 48.0%, 44.0 points apart on a 0 to 100 scale.
- Output price
- Gemini 4 Argon $10.00 against Qwen3.8 Flash $0.47 per million output tokens, 21.3x apart.
- Context window
- Gemini 4 Argon takes 1.05M tokens, Qwen3.8 Flash 1M.
Benchmark by benchmark
First the score: boards each model leads, per category, where both have a result. Then every board, a category to a fold; bars are each result on a 0 to 100 scale, so compare the two in a row, not one row with another.
| Category | Gemini 4 Argon | Bars | Qwen3.8 Flash | Ties |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Coding | 1 | 0 | ||
| Agentic work | 3 | 0 | ||
| Reasoning | 1 | 0 | ||
| Web design | 1 | 0 | ||
| General | 1 | 0 | ||
| All shared boards | 7 | 0 |
CodingLike-for-likeFour of these boards feed the Vibe Coding Index10
| Benchmark | Gemini 4 Argon | Qwen3.8 Flash | Leader |
|---|---|---|---|
| LiveBench coding | 89.7% | 87.4% | Gemini 4 Argon |
| LMArena WebDev | 1678 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Terminal-Bench 4 (Vals AI) | 57.6% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Vibe Code Bench (Vals AI) | 91.9% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Code migration (Vals AI) | 68.2% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| ProgramBench (Vals AI) | 2.5% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| IOI (Vals AI) | 100.0% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Terminal-Bench 2.1 (Vals AI) | 57.7% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| SWE-bench Multimodal (Vals AI) | 56.0% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Vibe Code Bench 1-100 (Vals AI) | 21.2% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| CyberBench (Vals AI) | 77.9% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| SciCode | 61.8% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| FrontierCode | 47.5% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| FrontierSWE | 55.0% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| ALE-Bench | 2100.1 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: coding | 1546 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: software and IT | 1556 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena WebDev: React | 1692 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena WebDev: HTML | 1643 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Neither model has a result on the other 19 boards here | |||
IntelligenceDirectional onlyPublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index2 boards, none shared
| Benchmark | Gemini 4 Argon | Qwen3.8 Flash | Leader |
|---|---|---|---|
| AA Intelligence Index | 52.6 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Epoch Capabilities Index | 166.4 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
Agentic workLike-for-likePublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index30
| Benchmark | Gemini 4 Argon | Qwen3.8 Flash | Leader |
|---|---|---|---|
| Design Arena: spreadsheets | 1151 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LiveBench research | 83.1% | 74.6% | Gemini 4 Argon |
| LiveBench browser | 92.0% | 48.0% | Gemini 4 Argon |
| LiveBench long agentic | 69.9% | 37.1% | Gemini 4 Argon |
| SREBench (Vals AI) | 44.3% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Finance Agent (Vals AI) | 65.4% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Tax Agent Bench (Vals AI) | 44.6% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Legal Research Bench (Vals AI) | 54.8% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Harvey's Legal Agent Benchmark (Vals AI) | 27.1% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Excel Modeling Benchmark (Vals AI) | 75.2% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| BioMysteryBench (Vals AI) | 76.3% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Terminal-Bench-Science (Vals AI) | 44.3% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Vals Science Index | 55.4% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Time Horizon Index (Vals AI) | 52.5% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| CUA-bench (Vals AI) | 4.8% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Robo-bench (Vals AI) | 0.8% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| APEX-Agents | 82.4% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Vending-Bench 2 | $13,718 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Neither model has a result on the other 21 boards here | |||
ReasoningLike-for-likePublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index10
| Benchmark | Gemini 4 Argon | Qwen3.8 Flash | Leader |
|---|---|---|---|
| LiveBench reasoning | 95.1% | 87.4% | Gemini 4 Argon |
| MysteryMechanism (Vals AI) | 45.5% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Humanity's Last Exam (Artificial Analysis run) | 57.1% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| GPQA Diamond (Epoch AI run) | 96.4% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| ARC-AGI | 98.5% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| ARC-AGI-2 | 91.3% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Chess puzzles | 59.0% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Mystery game puzzles | 64.0% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| EBR-bench | 64.8% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: hard prompts | 1546 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: expert | 1550 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: hard prompts in English | 1548 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Neither model has a result on the other 9 boards here | |||
MathDirectional onlyPublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index6 boards, none shared
| Benchmark | Gemini 4 Argon | Qwen3.8 Flash | Leader |
|---|---|---|---|
| OTIS Mock AIME | 100.0% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| FrontierMath, tiers 1 to 3 | 86.0% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| FrontierMath, tier 4 | 78.0% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| ProofBench | 99.0% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: math | 1536 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: mathematical work | 1557 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Neither model has a result on the other 7 boards here | |||
KnowledgeDirectional onlyPublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index7 boards, none shared
| Benchmark | Gemini 4 Argon | Qwen3.8 Flash | Leader |
|---|---|---|---|
| LegalBench (Vals AI) | 88.3% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| MedCode (Vals AI) | 58.8% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| SimpleQA Verified | 76.0% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: science | 1548 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: medicine and healthcare | 1555 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: legal and government | 1548 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: business and finance | 1525 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Neither model has a result on the other 10 boards here | |||
Web designLike-for-likePublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index10
| Benchmark | Gemini 4 Argon | Qwen3.8 Flash | Leader |
|---|---|---|---|
| Design Arena: websites | 1315 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Design Arena: UI components | 1333 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Design Arena: game dev | 1377 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Design Arena: data viz | 1334 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Design Arena: 3D | 1389 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Design Arena: all code categories | 1328 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LiveBench design | 73.7% | 72.8% | Gemini 4 Argon |
| Neither model has a result on the other 2 boards here | |||
GeneralLike-for-likePublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index10
| Benchmark | Gemini 4 Argon | Qwen3.8 Flash | Leader |
|---|---|---|---|
| Vals Index | 69.2% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LiveBench data analysis | 85.2% | 74.2% | Gemini 4 Argon |
| Public Benefits Bench (Vals AI) | 69.8% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| SAGE (Vals AI) | 53.6% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| MedScribe (Vals AI) | 87.4% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Long context reasoning (AA-LCR) | 79.7% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| DTBench | 97.6% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMCA | 63.7% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Furniture assembly | 72.5% | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text | 1532 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: instruction following | 1534 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: creative writing | 1527 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: English | 1538 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: non-English | 1522 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: Chinese | 1611 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: Spanish | 1503 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: Russian | 1534 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: multi-turn | 1556 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: longer queries | 1547 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: writing and language | 1529 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| LMArena Text: entertainment and media | 1527 | Not measured | Only Gemini 4 Argon measured |
| Neither model has a result on the other 25 boards here | |||
Image generationNot comparablePublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index0 boards, none shared
| Benchmark | Gemini 4 Argon | Qwen3.8 Flash | Leader |
|---|---|---|---|
| Neither model has a result on 5 boards here | |||
What each workload costs
Three fixed token mixes at each model's listed price, so per-token rates become a bill.
Chat turn
1K input + 500 output tokens
Qwen3.8 Flash costs less
Repository review
50K input + 3K output tokens
Qwen3.8 Flash costs less
Agent loop
200K input + 10K output tokens
Qwen3.8 Flash costs less
Listed OpenRouter rates, without cache or batch discounts. A workload that does not fit a model's context window would need splitting.
Specification differences
The leading value in a row is marked; a row with a missing value names no leader. Our two rows are marked in red.
| Specification | Google Gemini 4 Argon | Qwen3.8 Flash |
|---|---|---|
| Maker | Qwen | |
| Weights | No public weights listed | Open weights |
| Released | October 13, 2026 | August 26, 2026 |
| Context window | 1.05M | 1M |
| Input $/Mtok | $2.00 | $0.15 |
| Output $/Mtok | $10.00 | $0.47 |
| Coding index | 80.5 | 87.4 |
| Independent measurements behind it | 2 | 1 |
| Cost per solved task | Not computable | Not computable |
| Source | OpenRouter listing | OpenRouter listing |
Questions
Is Gemini 4 Argon better than Qwen3.8 Flash for coding?
Pick Qwen3.8 Flash for coding: it scores 87.4 on the Vibe Coding Index against 80.5 for Gemini 4 Argon, though on 1 benchmark against 2. Pick Gemini 4 Argon when the context window is larger, 1.05M against 1M tokens, or when what matters is LiveBench coding or LiveBench research, where it leads.
Which is cheaper, Gemini 4 Argon or Qwen3.8 Flash?
Gemini 4 Argon costs $2.00 per million input tokens and $10.00 per million output tokens; Qwen3.8 Flash costs $0.15 and $0.47. Cost per solved task is known for neither of them.
Which has the bigger context window, Gemini 4 Argon or Qwen3.8 Flash?
Gemini 4 Argon, with 1.05M tokens against 1M.
How many benchmarks is the Gemini 4 Argon vs Qwen3.8 Flash comparison based on?
7 benchmarks have a result for both models as of October 21, 2026. Gemini 4 Argon's coding index rests on 2 independent benchmarks and Qwen3.8 Flash's on 1. Where only one model has a result, the page says so instead of naming a winner.