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Ember-1 vs Qwen3.8 27B

Qwen3.8 27B leads Ember-1 on coding, 74.2 to 52.6 on the Vibe Coding Index, and Qwen3.8 27B costs 5.9x less per output token ($2.55 vs $15.00 per million). Updated October 22, 2026; 9 benchmarks have a result for both.

Ember-1Fireworks
Coding
52.6
Overall
No data
Output $/M
$15.00
9
Qwen3.8 27BQwen
Coding
74.2
Overall
59.6
Output $/M
$2.55
0
vs boards won of 9 shared

Ember-1 or Qwen3.8 27B: which to pick

Pick Qwen3.8 27B for coding: it scores 74.2 on the Vibe Coding Index against 52.6 for Ember-1.

Pick Ember-1 for a larger context window (1.05M against 1M tokens) and work measured by Vibe Code Bench (Vals AI) or Code migration (Vals AI), where it leads.

Shared results
9
Ember-1 only
5
Qwen3.8 27B only
76
Like-for-like categories
2 of 9

Only benchmarks that tested both models count toward a pick; a result only one model has is shown but not compared.

Which one for your work

Each card is decided by one number both models carry. Where only one has it, the card says so and makes no call.

At a glance

Coding index
Ember-1 52.6 from 2 benchmarks, Qwen3.8 27B 74.2 from 4 benchmarks.
Widest category
Coding, 11.6 points apart on average over 4 shared benchmarks.
Widest single gap
Vibe Code Bench (Vals AI): Ember-1 83.9% against Qwen3.8 27B 64.8%, 19.0 points apart on a 0 to 100 scale.
Output price
Ember-1 $15.00 against Qwen3.8 27B $2.55 per million output tokens, 5.9x apart.
Context window
Ember-1 takes 1.05M tokens, Qwen3.8 27B 1M.

Benchmark by benchmark

First the score: boards each model leads, per category, where both have a result. Then every board, a category to a fold; bars are each result on a 0 to 100 scale, so compare the two in a row, not one row with another.

Boards won, where both have a result
CategoryEmber-1BarsQwen3.8 27BTies
Coding40
Agentic work50
All shared boards90
CodingLike-for-likeSix of these boards feed the Vibe Coding Index40
Coding benchmarks for Ember-1 and Qwen3.8 27B
BenchmarkEmber-1Qwen3.8 27BLeader
LiveBench codingNot measured86.8%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena WebDevNot measured1593Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
AA Coding IndexNot measured68.1Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LiveCodeBench (Vals AI)Not measured84.0%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
SWE-bench Verified (Vals AI)Not measured86.0%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
Terminal-Bench 4 (Vals AI)20.7%Not measuredOnly Ember-1 measured
Vibe Code Bench (Vals AI)83.9%64.8%Ember-1
Code migration (Vals AI)32.5%14.2%Ember-1
ProgramBench (Vals AI)Not measured0.0%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
IOI (Vals AI)46.3%39.1%Ember-1
Terminal-Bench 2.1 (Vals AI)Not measured58.4%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
SkillsBench (Vals AI)Not measured38.1%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
CyberBench (Vals AI)69.5%67.8%Ember-1
SciCodeNot measured46.6%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: codingNot measured1483Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: software and ITNot measured1478Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena WebDev: ReactNot measured1602Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena WebDev: HTMLNot measured1570Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena WebDev: from an imageNot measured1577Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
Neither model has a result on the other 20 boards here
IntelligenceDirectional onlyPublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index2 boards, none shared
Intelligence benchmarks for Ember-1 and Qwen3.8 27B
BenchmarkEmber-1Qwen3.8 27BLeader
AA Intelligence IndexNot measured33.7Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
Epoch Capabilities IndexNot measured151.7Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
Agentic workLike-for-likePublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index50
Agentic work benchmarks for Ember-1 and Qwen3.8 27B
BenchmarkEmber-1Qwen3.8 27BLeader
AA Agentic IndexNot measured45.8Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LiveBench researchNot measured59.4%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LiveBench browserNot measured32.0%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LiveBench long agenticNot measured27.9%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
Finance Agent (Vals AI)51.8%48.5%Ember-1
Tax Agent Bench (Vals AI)31.1%30.9%Ember-1
Legal Research Bench (Vals AI)44.7%36.1%Ember-1
Excel Modeling Benchmark (Vals AI)63.4%59.7%Ember-1
BioMysteryBench (Vals AI)67.0%Not measuredOnly Ember-1 measured
Terminal-Bench-Science (Vals AI)5.7%0.0%Ember-1
Vals Science Index31.8%Not measuredOnly Ember-1 measured
APEX-AgentsNot measured47.5%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
Neither model has a result on the other 29 boards here
ReasoningDirectional onlyPublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index13 boards, none shared
Reasoning benchmarks for Ember-1 and Qwen3.8 27B
BenchmarkEmber-1Qwen3.8 27BLeader
GPQA DiamondNot measured88.9%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LiveBench reasoningNot measured80.0%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
MysteryMechanism (Vals AI)22.5%Not measuredOnly Ember-1 measured
MMMU Pro (Vals AI)Not measured83.9%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
GPQA Diamond (Artificial Analysis run)Not measured90.5%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
Humanity's Last Exam (Artificial Analysis run)Not measured33.9%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
ARC-AGINot measured87.5%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
ARC-AGI-2Not measured42.4%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: hard promptsNot measured1459Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: expertNot measured1479Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: hard prompts in EnglishNot measured1461Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Vision: diagramsNot measured1285Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Vision: homeworkNot measured1295Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
Neither model has a result on the other 9 boards here
MathDirectional onlyPublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index3 boards, none shared
Math benchmarks for Ember-1 and Qwen3.8 27B
BenchmarkEmber-1Qwen3.8 27BLeader
ProofBenchNot measured16.0%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: mathNot measured1455Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: mathematical workNot measured1458Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
Neither model has a result on the other 10 boards here
KnowledgeDirectional onlyPublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index9 boards, none shared
Knowledge benchmarks for Ember-1 and Qwen3.8 27B
BenchmarkEmber-1Qwen3.8 27BLeader
MMLU ProNot measured84.3%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LegalBench (Vals AI)Not measured82.4%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
TaxEval (Vals AI)Not measured70.8%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
MortgageTax (Vals AI)Not measured64.9%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
MedCode (Vals AI)Not measured28.7%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: scienceNot measured1467Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: medicine and healthcareNot measured1437Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: legal and governmentNot measured1447Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: business and financeNot measured1438Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
Neither model has a result on the other 9 boards here
Web designDirectional onlyPublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index1 board, none shared
Web design benchmarks for Ember-1 and Qwen3.8 27B
BenchmarkEmber-1Qwen3.8 27BLeader
LiveBench designNot measured75.9%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
Neither model has a result on the other 8 boards here
GeneralDirectional onlyPublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index31 boards, none shared
General benchmarks for Ember-1 and Qwen3.8 27B
BenchmarkEmber-1Qwen3.8 27BLeader
LiveBench data analysisNot measured76.6%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
Public Benefits Bench (Vals AI)66.2%Not measuredOnly Ember-1 measured
SAGE (Vals AI)Not measured52.4%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
MedScribe (Vals AI)Not measured83.8%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
Long context reasoning (AA-LCR)Not measured82.0%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
DTBenchNot measured88.0%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMCANot measured41.4%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
Surface Evolver BenchNot measured45.0%Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena TextNot measured1440Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: instruction followingNot measured1436Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: creative writingNot measured1383Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena VisionNot measured1269Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: EnglishNot measured1448Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: non-EnglishNot measured1428Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: ChineseNot measured1501Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: GermanNot measured1443Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: JapaneseNot measured1387Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: KoreanNot measured1384Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: FrenchNot measured1465Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: SpanishNot measured1449Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: RussianNot measured1415Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: PolishNot measured1439Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: multi-turnNot measured1440Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: longer queriesNot measured1448Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: writing and languageNot measured1405Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Text: entertainment and mediaNot measured1393Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Vision: EnglishNot measured1267Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Vision: ChineseNot measured1326Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Vision: reading textNot measured1281Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Vision: humorNot measured1235Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
LMArena Vision: creative writingNot measured1237Only Qwen3.8 27B measured
Neither model has a result on the other 15 boards here
Image generationNot comparablePublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index0 boards, none shared
Image generation benchmarks for Ember-1 and Qwen3.8 27B
BenchmarkEmber-1Qwen3.8 27BLeader
Neither model has a result on 5 boards here

What each workload costs

Three fixed token mixes at each model's listed price, so per-token rates become a bill.

Chat turn

1K input + 500 output tokens

Ember-1$0.011Fits in one request
Qwen3.8 27B$0.0017Fits in one request

Qwen3.8 27B costs less

Repository review

50K input + 3K output tokens

Ember-1$0.195Fits in one request
Qwen3.8 27B$0.029Fits in one request

Qwen3.8 27B costs less

Agent loop

200K input + 10K output tokens

Ember-1$0.750Fits in one request
Qwen3.8 27B$0.111Fits in one request

Qwen3.8 27B costs less

Listed OpenRouter rates, without cache or batch discounts. A workload that does not fit a model's context window would need splitting.

Specification differences

The leading value in a row is marked; a row with a missing value names no leader. Our two rows are marked in red.

Specifications of Ember-1 and Qwen3.8 27B
SpecificationFireworks Ember-1Qwen3.8 27B
MakerFireworksQwen
WeightsNo public weights listedOpen weights
ReleasedSeptember 24, 2026August 14, 2026
Context window1.05M1M
Input $/Mtok$3.00$0.425
Output $/Mtok$15.00$2.55
Coding index52.674.2
Independent measurements behind it24
Cost per solved taskNot computable$1.26
SourceOpenRouter listingOpenRouter listing

Questions

Is Ember-1 better than Qwen3.8 27B for coding?

Pick Qwen3.8 27B for coding: it scores 74.2 on the Vibe Coding Index against 52.6 for Ember-1. Pick Ember-1 for a larger context window (1.05M against 1M tokens) and work measured by Vibe Code Bench (Vals AI) or Code migration (Vals AI), where it leads.

Which is cheaper, Ember-1 or Qwen3.8 27B?

Ember-1 costs $3.00 per million input tokens and $15.00 per million output tokens; Qwen3.8 27B costs $0.425 and $2.55. Cost per solved task is known for Qwen3.8 27B only.

Which has the bigger context window, Ember-1 or Qwen3.8 27B?

Ember-1, with 1.05M tokens against 1M.

How many benchmarks is the Ember-1 vs Qwen3.8 27B comparison based on?

9 benchmarks have a result for both models as of October 22, 2026. Ember-1's coding index rests on 2 independent benchmarks and Qwen3.8 27B's on 4. Where only one model has a result, the page says so instead of naming a winner.

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