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DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 vs Qwen3.8 Flash

Updated October 21, 2026. 7 benchmarks have a result for both. Coding is ranked on the Vibe Coding Index; every other board is shown as published.

DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017DeepSeek
Coding
83.3
Overall
39.5
Output $/M
$0.60
7
Qwen3.8 FlashQwen
Coding
87.4
Overall
No data
Output $/M
$0.47
0
vs boards won of 7 shared

Decision reading

Pick Qwen3.8 Flash for coding: it scores 87.4 on the Vibe Coding Index against 83.3 for DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017, though on 1 benchmark against 2.

Pick DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 when the context window is larger, 1.05M against 1M tokens, or when what matters is LiveBench coding or LiveBench research, where it leads.

Shared results
7
DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 only
25
Qwen3.8 Flash only
0
Like-for-like categories
5 of 9

Shared results can support a head-to-head reading. Results only one model has describe coverage, not superiority.

Which one for your work

Each card is decided by one number both models carry. Where only one has it, the card says so and makes no call.

At a glance

Coding index
DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 83.3 from 2 benchmarks, Qwen3.8 Flash 87.4 from 1 benchmark.
Widest category
Agentic work, 15.6 points apart on average over 3 shared benchmarks.
Widest single gap
LiveBench browser: DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 76.0% against Qwen3.8 Flash 48.0%, 28.0 points apart on a 0 to 100 scale.
Output price
DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 $0.60 against Qwen3.8 Flash $0.47 per million output tokens, 1.3x apart.
Context window
DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 takes 1.05M tokens, Qwen3.8 Flash 1M.

Benchmark by benchmark

First the score: boards each model leads, per category, where both have a result. Then every board, a category to a fold; bars are each result on a 0 to 100 scale, so compare the two in a row, not one row with another.

Boards won, where both have a result
CategoryDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017BarsQwen3.8 FlashTies
Coding10
Agentic work30
Reasoning10
Web design10
General10
All shared boards70
CodingLike-for-likeFour of these boards feed the Vibe Coding Index10
Coding benchmarks for DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 and Qwen3.8 Flash
BenchmarkDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017Qwen3.8 FlashLeader
LiveBench coding96.0%87.4%DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017
LMArena WebDev1664Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
Terminal-Bench 4 (Vals AI)31.8%Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
Vibe Code Bench (Vals AI)87.7%Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
Code migration (Vals AI)44.2%Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
SciCode55.9%Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
ALE-Bench1622.0Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
LMArena WebDev: React1667Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
LMArena WebDev: HTML1687Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
Neither model has a result on the other 29 boards here
IntelligenceDirectional onlyPublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index1 board, none shared
Intelligence benchmarks for DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 and Qwen3.8 Flash
BenchmarkDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017Qwen3.8 FlashLeader
AA Intelligence Index39.5Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
Neither model has a result on the other 1 board here
Agentic workLike-for-likePublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index30
Agentic work benchmarks for DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 and Qwen3.8 Flash
BenchmarkDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017Qwen3.8 FlashLeader
Design Arena: spreadsheets1238Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
LiveBench research79.5%74.6%DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017
LiveBench browser76.0%48.0%DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017
LiveBench long agentic50.9%37.1%DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017
Finance Agent (Vals AI)57.0%Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
Tax Agent Bench (Vals AI)44.4%Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
Legal Research Bench (Vals AI)45.2%Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
Harvey's Legal Agent Benchmark (Vals AI)14.2%Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
Excel Modeling Benchmark (Vals AI)61.8%Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
Neither model has a result on the other 30 boards here
ReasoningLike-for-likePublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index10
Reasoning benchmarks for DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 and Qwen3.8 Flash
BenchmarkDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017Qwen3.8 FlashLeader
LiveBench reasoning89.1%87.4%DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017
Humanity's Last Exam (Artificial Analysis run)43.3%Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
Neither model has a result on the other 19 boards here
MathNot comparablePublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index0 boards, none shared
Math benchmarks for DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 and Qwen3.8 Flash
BenchmarkDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017Qwen3.8 FlashLeader
Neither model has a result on 13 boards here
KnowledgeNot comparablePublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index0 boards, none shared
Knowledge benchmarks for DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 and Qwen3.8 Flash
BenchmarkDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017Qwen3.8 FlashLeader
Neither model has a result on 17 boards here
Web designLike-for-likePublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index10
Web design benchmarks for DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 and Qwen3.8 Flash
BenchmarkDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017Qwen3.8 FlashLeader
Design Arena: websites1312Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
Design Arena: UI components1305Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
Design Arena: game dev1365Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
Design Arena: data viz1330Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
Design Arena: 3D1368Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
Design Arena: all code categories1335Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
Design Arena: ASCII art1244Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
LiveBench design83.4%72.8%DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017
Neither model has a result on the other 1 board here
GeneralLike-for-likePublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index10
General benchmarks for DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 and Qwen3.8 Flash
BenchmarkDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017Qwen3.8 FlashLeader
Vals Index61.3%Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
LiveBench data analysis79.5%74.2%DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017
Long context reasoning (AA-LCR)82.7%Not measuredOnly DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 measured
Neither model has a result on the other 43 boards here
Image generationNot comparablePublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index0 boards, none shared
Image generation benchmarks for DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 and Qwen3.8 Flash
BenchmarkDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017Qwen3.8 FlashLeader
Neither model has a result on 5 boards here

What each workload costs

Three fixed token mixes at each model's listed price, so per-token rates become a bill.

Chat turn

1K input + 500 output tokens

DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017$0.0004Fits in one request
Qwen3.8 Flash$0.0004Fits in one request

Qwen3.8 Flash costs less

Repository review

50K input + 3K output tokens

DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017$0.0093Fits in one request
Qwen3.8 Flash$0.0089Fits in one request

Qwen3.8 Flash costs less

Agent loop

200K input + 10K output tokens

DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017$0.036Fits in one request
Qwen3.8 Flash$0.035Fits in one request

Qwen3.8 Flash costs less

Listed OpenRouter rates, without cache or batch discounts. A workload that does not fit a model's context window would need splitting.

Specification differences

The leading value in a row is marked; a row with a missing value names no leader. Our two rows are marked in red.

Specifications of DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 and Qwen3.8 Flash
SpecificationDeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017Qwen3.8 Flash
MakerDeepSeekQwen
WeightsOpen weightsOpen weights
ReleasedOctober 17, 2026August 26, 2026
Context window1.05M1M
Input $/Mtok$0.15$0.15
Output $/Mtok$0.60$0.47
Coding index83.387.4
Independent measurements behind it21
Cost per solved taskNot computableNot computable
SourceOpenRouter listingOpenRouter listing

Questions

Is DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 better than Qwen3.8 Flash for coding?

Pick Qwen3.8 Flash for coding: it scores 87.4 on the Vibe Coding Index against 83.3 for DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017, though on 1 benchmark against 2. Pick DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 when the context window is larger, 1.05M against 1M tokens, or when what matters is LiveBench coding or LiveBench research, where it leads.

Which is cheaper, DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 or Qwen3.8 Flash?

DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 costs $0.15 per million input tokens and $0.60 per million output tokens; Qwen3.8 Flash costs $0.15 and $0.47. Cost per solved task is known for neither of them.

Which has the bigger context window, DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 or Qwen3.8 Flash?

DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017, with 1.05M tokens against 1M.

How many benchmarks is the DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 vs Qwen3.8 Flash comparison based on?

7 benchmarks have a result for both models as of October 21, 2026. DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017's coding index rests on 2 independent benchmarks and Qwen3.8 Flash's on 1. Where only one model has a result, the page says so instead of naming a winner.

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