Hermes 4 405B vs Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking
Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking leads Hermes 4 405B on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index, 11.2 to 7.5, and Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking costs 2.5x less per output token ($1.20 vs $3.00 per million). Updated October 23, 2026; 1 benchmarks have a result for both.
Hermes 4 405B or Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking: which to pick
Neither model has a coding score yet, so the two cannot be ranked on coding.
Pick Hermes 4 405B for work measured by AA Intelligence Index, where it leads.
- Shared results
- 1
- Hermes 4 405B only
- 1
- Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking only
- 29
- Like-for-like categories
- 1 of 9
Only benchmarks that tested both models count toward a pick; a result only one model has is shown but not compared.
Which one for your work
Each card is decided by one number both models carry. Where only one has it, the card says so and makes no call.
Coding
Vibe Coding Index, six public coding benchmarks
No call
Neither has a coding score yet.
One side not measured
Intelligence
AA Intelligence Index
Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking
Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking leads, 11.2 against 7.5.
Same board, both measured
Long documents
Listed context window
Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking
Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking takes 262K tokens against 131K.
Listed by OpenRouter
Everyday cost
1K input + 500 output tokens
Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking
Hermes 4 405B $0.0025, Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking $0.0008 per turn.
List prices
At a glance
- Coding index
- Hermes 4 405B not benchmarked, Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking not benchmarked.
- Widest category
- Intelligence, 3.7 points apart on average over 1 shared benchmark.
- Widest single gap
- AA Intelligence Index: Hermes 4 405B 7.5 against Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking 11.2, 3.7 points apart on a 0 to 100 scale.
- Output price
- Hermes 4 405B $3.00 against Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking $1.20 per million output tokens, 2.5x apart.
- Context window
- Hermes 4 405B takes 131K tokens, Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking 262K.
Benchmark by benchmark
First the score: boards each model leads, per category, where both have a result. Then every board, a category to a fold; bars are each result on a 0 to 100 scale, so compare the two in a row, not one row with another.
| Category | Hermes 4 405B | Bars | Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking | Ties |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Intelligence | 0 | 1 | ||
| All shared boards | 0 | 1 |
CodingDirectional onlySix of these boards feed the Vibe Coding Index3 boards, none shared
| Benchmark | Hermes 4 405B | Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking | Leader |
|---|---|---|---|
| AA Coding Index | Not measured | 17.4 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: coding | Not measured | 1391 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: software and IT | Not measured | 1393 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| Neither model has a result on the other 40 boards here | |||
IntelligenceLike-for-likePublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index01
| Benchmark | Hermes 4 405B | Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking | Leader |
|---|---|---|---|
| AA Intelligence Index | 7.5 | 11.2 | Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking |
| Neither model has a result on the other 1 board here | |||
Agentic workNot comparablePublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index0 boards, none shared
| Benchmark | Hermes 4 405B | Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking | Leader |
|---|---|---|---|
| Neither model has a result on 42 boards here | |||
ReasoningDirectional onlyPublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index4 boards, none shared
| Benchmark | Hermes 4 405B | Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking | Leader |
|---|---|---|---|
| LMArena Text: hard prompts | Not measured | 1371 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: expert | Not measured | 1376 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: hard prompts in English | Not measured | 1384 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| Kagi LLM Benchmark | 55.8% | Not measured | Only Hermes 4 405B measured |
| Neither model has a result on the other 19 boards here | |||
MathDirectional onlyPublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index2 boards, none shared
| Benchmark | Hermes 4 405B | Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking | Leader |
|---|---|---|---|
| LMArena Text: math | Not measured | 1398 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: mathematical work | Not measured | 1390 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| Neither model has a result on the other 12 boards here | |||
KnowledgeDirectional onlyPublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index4 boards, none shared
| Benchmark | Hermes 4 405B | Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking | Leader |
|---|---|---|---|
| LMArena Text: science | Not measured | 1385 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: medicine and healthcare | Not measured | 1392 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: legal and government | Not measured | 1364 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: business and finance | Not measured | 1360 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| Neither model has a result on the other 16 boards here | |||
Web designNot comparablePublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index0 boards, none shared
| Benchmark | Hermes 4 405B | Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking | Leader |
|---|---|---|---|
| Neither model has a result on 9 boards here | |||
GeneralDirectional onlyPublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index17 boards, none shared
| Benchmark | Hermes 4 405B | Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking | Leader |
|---|---|---|---|
| LMArena Text | Not measured | 1368 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: instruction following | Not measured | 1343 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: creative writing | Not measured | 1314 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: English | Not measured | 1392 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: non-English | Not measured | 1342 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: Chinese | Not measured | 1407 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: German | Not measured | 1356 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: Japanese | Not measured | 1280 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: Korean | Not measured | 1309 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: French | Not measured | 1353 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: Spanish | Not measured | 1358 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: Russian | Not measured | 1337 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: Polish | Not measured | 1344 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: multi-turn | Not measured | 1346 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: longer queries | Not measured | 1353 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: writing and language | Not measured | 1330 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| LMArena Text: entertainment and media | Not measured | 1313 | Only Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking measured |
| Neither model has a result on the other 31 boards here | |||
Image generationNot comparablePublic boards, shown as published, kept out of the index0 boards, none shared
| Benchmark | Hermes 4 405B | Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking | Leader |
|---|---|---|---|
| Neither model has a result on 5 boards here | |||
What each workload costs
Three fixed token mixes at each model's listed price, so per-token rates become a bill.
Chat turn
1K input + 500 output tokens
Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking costs less
Repository review
50K input + 3K output tokens
Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking costs less
Agent loop
200K input + 10K output tokens
Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking costs less
Listed OpenRouter rates, without cache or batch discounts. A workload that does not fit a model's context window would need splitting.
Specification differences
The leading value in a row is marked; a row with a missing value names no leader. Our two rows are marked in red.
| Specification | Nous Hermes 4 405B | Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking |
|---|---|---|
| Maker | Nous Research | Qwen |
| Weights | Open weights | Open weights |
| Released | August 26, 2025 | September 11, 2025 |
| Context window | 131K | 262K |
| Input $/Mtok | $1.00 | $0.15 |
| Output $/Mtok | $3.00 | $1.20 |
| Coding index | Not benchmarked | Not benchmarked |
| Independent measurements behind it | 0 | 0 |
| Cost per solved task | Not computable | Not computable |
| Source | OpenRouter listing | OpenRouter listing |
Questions
Is Hermes 4 405B better than Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking for coding?
Neither model has a coding score yet, so the two cannot be ranked on coding. Pick Hermes 4 405B for work measured by AA Intelligence Index, where it leads.
Which is cheaper, Hermes 4 405B or Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking?
Hermes 4 405B costs $1.00 per million input tokens and $3.00 per million output tokens; Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking costs $0.15 and $1.20. Cost per solved task is known for neither of them.
Which has the bigger context window, Hermes 4 405B or Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking?
Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking, with 262K tokens against 131K.
How many benchmarks is the Hermes 4 405B vs Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking comparison based on?
1 benchmarks have a result for both models as of October 23, 2026. Hermes 4 405B's coding index rests on 0 independent benchmarks and Qwen3 Next 80B A3B Thinking's on 0. Where only one model has a result, the page says so instead of naming a winner.